The Deception of the Past
Sometimes we get stuck in our glory days and overlook some of the best years that came later. High school or college years can be wistful reminiscence for some while others may see them as the most painful times of their lives. We tend to gloss over those times that we think of as the "good old days" forgetting that there was likely as much mundanity to those times as any other--but there seems to be some magic; something that makes those days seem better than the rest.
Typically there is an art of self-deception involved in these memories. Perhaps it comes down to some special person or groups of people, a place, an event, or the circumstance at that time of life. That lodestone of remembrance that keeps us looking back in time might be fooling us or maybe it is totally real. But it is the past after all and that is something we can never absolutely recapture in the place where we are now.
Battle of the Bands
Parallel Journeys
Bruce Springsteen and Robbin Thompson were both born in 1949 just a few months apart. Springsteen was born in New Jersey which is where he was raised and began his musical career in 1965 inspired by Elvis, Sinatra, and the Beatles. Most of us know the trajectory of Bruce "The Boss" Springsteen's rise to fame so I don't feel compelled to talk about it here. If you don't know, you can find out more by visiting his Wiki entry.
The lesser known Robbin Thompson was born in Boston, Massachusetts a few months before Springsteen. Spending most of his childhood in Florida, he became involved with several regional bands between 1963 and 1967, even releasing a couple of singles with one of the bands. In 1968 Thompson moved to Richmond, Virginia to attend Virginia Commonwealth University. He soon formed another band that quickly became a local favorite. In 1969 Thompson's band shared a bill with a Bruce Springsteen's band Steel Mill. Thompson's band Mercy Flight opened for Steel Mill for a number of concerts. The two bandleaders struck up a friendship and Springsteen invited Thompson to be another lead singer in Steel Mill. The band continued to tour with Thompson for a few months.
Steel Mill disbanded in 1971 after which Springsteen eventually rose to massive fame. Robbin Thompson continued on his own and collaborated with many well known musical artists throughout the years. He and Springsteen remained friends and often appeared onstage as guest artists with each others' bands. Robbin Thompson had one minor national hit and his collaboration with fellow Richmonder Steve Bassett, "Sweet Virginia Breeze", is the official popular song for the state of Virginia as appointed by the Virginia State Assembly. Thompson continued his music career as a popular regional favorite until his death on October 10, 2015.
Glory Days
This Battle of the Bands installment involves two different songs about the same topic--perceptions of how good high school days were. I'm taking the risk of putting up Springsteen's massive hit against Thompson's much lesser known, but excellent song.
Bruce Springsteen "Glory Days" (1984)
Most of you have undoubtedly heard this song which received frequent play on MTV when MTV actually played music videos. From his best selling album Born in the USA, "Glory Days" is purportedly an autobiographical account of an encounter Springsteen had with an old high school friend. The song takes a somewhat cynical look at those who bask in their past achievements.
Robbin Thompson "Candy Apple Red" (1980)
Thompson's song takes a more positive view of looking back on high school memories. Written and recorded before Springsteen's song, one might speculate if "Glory Days" was a response to old friend Thompson's "Candy Apple Red". It's almost like the two former band mates decided to write songs on the same theme with very different results. Take a listen and compare.
Time to Vote!
Two different songs by two different artists. One you likely know while the other might be a new one to you. Maybe I'm taking a risk with this match, but I think it's worth a shot. Let us know what you think about these two recordings. Is there one that you prefer over the other? If you're visiting a Battle of the Bands post for the first time then let me briefly explain. Please give each song version a fair listen to decide which one you enjoy the most. If you don't like either then at least tell us which recording was least innocuous to you. This comes down to your preference and it's as easy as that.
Please vote on your favorite by letting us know your choice in the comment section and tell us why you prefer the version you chose. Then after you've finished here, please visit the other blogs listed below who may or may not be participating this time around. And if you've put up your own BOTB contest let us know that as well so we can vote on yours
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Winner Announced on Wednesday July 6th
Since I'll be posting for the Insecure Writer's Support Group on Wednesday I'm going to cut voting a little short so I can incorporate the two posts. We'll have the weekend for voting so I don't think the shorter time span will have that much of a negative effect. Also on Monday July 4th I'll be posting my Question of the Month which may not get a massive readership since it's a holiday. Hope you vote on this Battle and visit the upcoming posts anyway and if you don't then have a great July 4th for everyone in the U.S. and Happy Canada Day to my neighbors in the North.
How do you view your high school days? Do you think we often deceive ourselves about our own pasts? How do you feel when people brag about their past accomplishments?
I was when at school more interested in music than English or maths. .....but that was many moons ago.
ReplyDeleteMy favourite choice which I vote for is the Bruce Springtein, probably because he is more well known to me than the others.
Take care Arlee and enjoy your week-end.
Yvonne.
Yvonne, voting starts off with the familiar...
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Lee
I was going to say Bruce just because it's familiar, but I'll go with Candy Apple Red. Catchy tune for its time.
ReplyDeleteAlex, almost, but then a switch for a "catchy tune".
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Lee
I didn't much care for the Candy Apple Red song...it was too twangy/country. That said, I despise Bruce Springsteen more so I'm voting for Robbin. High school was a struggle. I couldn't wait to get away from my family when I went to college and finally have some freedom without getting screamed at constantly.
ReplyDeleteJoJo, I think that "twang" you hear is something more related to Surf guitar or old time rock and roll.
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Lee
What an interesting battle! I love the two different outlooks presented by each song. Great story about Bruce and his friend, Robbin. Springsteen's song is obviously the more cynical of the two. Since he wrote it later, it does seem like he's answering Thompson. Robbin's song is too "pop" for my taste. Bruce's song is more profound and I'm a cynic too, so please give my vote to Springsteen. I wouldn't want to relive childhood or high school; not the greatest time in my life, but there were some good moments in there.
ReplyDeleteDebbie D, a vote for profundity and cynicism...
DeleteBruce Springsteen
Lee
I rather liked, 'Candy Apple Red', even though I'm not sure I'd like to have those days back. I'm fine where I'm at now. I'm awfully impressed you were brave enough to put this song up against the Boss. You would probably think I'd naturally go with Bruce. But I'm always one for giving another player a fair shot. And as I said, I do like the new(er) (older), song. But would that sway me away from Bruce? Sadly, no. Love the Glory Days and it's far to hard to compete against that.
ReplyDeletePlease give my vote to the Boss.
Jeffrey, I know putting a "little guy" up against the big "Boss" is a chancy thing to do, but I loved the parallels and comparisons between the songs and the artists.
DeleteSticking with the standard, a vote for Bruce Springsteen
Lee
Wow-I would not have thought anyone other than me had heard of Robbin Thompson-I have not pulled his stuff from she shelves in ages, but when I saw the cover I thought it looked familiar and went and looked (I have six of his titles).
ReplyDeleteBy the time Bruce hit the big time with album number seven, I was beginning to lose interest, and most of the hits from the record were not songs I cared for. "Glory Days" was an exception, but it got played to death, and I heard it enough back in the mid 1980's to last me the rest of my natural life, and even into the afterlife.
But they're both good songs. and I am giving the edgle to "Candy Apple Red" because the lyrics are a little less of a cliche than the Springsteen lyrics (his well kind of ran dry for this one).
I thought Bob Seger did this topic better-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcDCvQbOdig
A vote for ROBBIN THOMPSON
LC
PS-I have great memories of high school, but they are memories. I don't spend too much time looking back-no percentage in it. Too much life I want to live and too few years left to cram it all in.
DeleteLarry, no point in always reliving those old times unless you're writing a memoir or somehow making a living off the old times, but it can be fun to reminisce with old friends.
DeleteThere are a bunch of good songs about the topic of looking back and I actually did consider the Seger song, but the connections between Springsteen and Thompson were too good to ignore. Since I lived in Richmond for a while--during the time Thompson was really hitting his stride--I of course heard of Robbin Thompson. For a while I went to church where Steve Bassett, Thompson's sometime cohort, attended. I didn't realize that Robbin Thompson had so many albums out as Two B's Please is the only one I've ever owned. That album is pretty outstanding in my opinion.
A vote for Robbin Thompson
Lee
They're both excellent songs, but I lean more to "Candy Apple Red" when forced to choose. I like the more optimistic tenor of that songs. Cynicism can be okay occasionally, but corrosive in somewhat larger amounts.
ReplyDeleteIt's like irony; a seasoning that can be easily used to excess. On the whole, my high school days were good, even though I was not an exemplary student.
Pop Tart, bright optimism tends to be more uplifting, though cynical irony can have its time and place--it can be a downer in its "corrosive" tone.
DeleteRobbin Thompson gets another vote.
Lee
I still have to give it to Springstein because I like this song better than the other. Candice Apple Red sounded more typical in style plus I don't view my high school in a fond way:) Funny, my movie theme this week was also high school ...reunions and I had a tough time with this theme
ReplyDeleteBirgit, yeah, I thought it was interesting that both our topics were in a similar vein. Must be the season and the memories that go with it.
DeleteI think "Candy Apple Red" was purposely "more typical" because it is a celebration of the music and that part of life. There are many cultural references as well as musical quotes throughout.
A vote for Bruce Springsteen
Lee
From 1978 to 1984, Bruce Springsteen was easily my very favorite music artist. But he began changing quite a bit right around the release of 'Born In The USA'. He was doing things I didn't see him doing prior to that and because I'd had him on such a pedestal, when my "hero" fell, he fell far and hard.
ReplyDelete'Born In The USA' was the last Springsteen album I ever owned. Today, I really can't stand the guy in the least -- I don't like anything at all about him, not even most of his music. His first two albums are really good, I still have them, but that's about all I care to hear of ..."The Boss".
One thing that ALWAYS bugged me about Bruce's 'GLORY DAYS' was the line "He could throw that speedball by you, make you look like a fool, boy." Speedball? SPEEDBALL? A speedball is a drug concoction of cocaine with heroin or morphine.
It's clear Bruce doesn't know jack sh*t about baseball. No one was calling a "fastball" a "speedball" in 1984. Bruce has always been a poseur in many ways.
Never heard the ROBBIN THOMPSON song before but I really liked it a lot, and right from that piano opening! Great song! I like the tempo, the rhythm, the lead guitar playing, and those baritone "YEAHHH"s in the background. I liked everything about 'CANDY APPLE RED'.
And even that line "Looking for a home run but getting thrown out at the plate" shows that Robbin actually knows what an "Inside-The-Park Home Run" is, which I'm sure is more than I can say about "Mr. USA", Bruce Poseur.
Nice Battle, Lee. I may have to check out more of Robbin Thompson's music. This was a great song that should have been a big hit.
~ D-FensDogG
'Loyal American Underground'
STMcC, I agree that Thompson's song should have been a hit. So many cultural and music references that anyone who grew up in the formative years of R&R should relate to, but maybe that wasn't much of a case when the song was released. Never thought about the "speedball" reference unless Bruce was trying to give it some multiple layer of meaning. Robbin's baseball metaphor is much more effective and so many guys can recall that experience in their own lives.
DeleteBy all means check out more of Thompson's music. The entire album that this song comes from is on YouTube and it's a good album. "Sweet Virginia Breeze" is a fine song as well.
Glad you enjoyed this one--I didn't think you'd be voting for Bruce judging from what you've said about him in the past. I've got to agree with you to some extent on that.
A vote for Robbin Thompson
Lee
I'm exploring this a bit in my new solo novel - about a guy who lost his memory, trying to find out about his past - the idea that we often remember things more fondly than they really were. Like, you look at a picture from a past event and it might be a little confusing because you seem to remember the sky being way brighter and sunny and beautiful (but actually it was kinda cloudy), or you remember everyone laughing and having a great time, but some of them look bored. Or you remember someone being there and having a blast with them... who wasn't. It's interesting how the brain does that.
ReplyDeleteAs for the battle, I've never been a huge Bruce fan, but I was ready to pick his version. Then Candy Apple Red blew me away. That definitely should have been a hit. What a great, catchy song. One very definitive vote for Robbin Thompson.
Beer, you are so right about what we tend to remember. I've also found it interesting in comparing memories with family and friends to find that their recollections are far different than mine in many cases. It's mostly a matter of mind and little to do with objective reality.
DeleteA definitive vote for Robbin Thompson.
Lee
I thought for sure that I'd be voting for Bruce Springsteen. I like Glory Days.
ReplyDeleteI had never heard of Robin Thompson so was very curious to listen and Wow, what a pleasant surprise! I love the song Candy Apple Red --- great tempo, great instrumentation and great lyrics. I'm listening to it a second time right now and really digging it. My vote goes to Robin Thompson.
Thanks for the introduction. And Yes, give me back those days!!!! :)
Michele at Angels Bark
Michele, you can have those days and actually I wouldn't mind having some of them for at least a brief visit.
DeleteAnother vote for Robbin Thompson (Two B's Please).
Lee
Hi, Lee!
ReplyDeleteYou always take a risk. It's what we all do when we offer two favorite recordings and ask people to pick one. (See my battle pitting Disco Tex against Paul McCartney. :)
I am sure my memories of the glory days at the Shady Dell are somewhat distorted and that getting punched in the face on three different occasions wasn't nearly as much fun as I remember it. :)
Bruce Springsteen's official video of "Glory Days" was a big hit with viewers of my MTV station and therefore I am very familiar with it. This is the first time I am hearing Robbin Thompson's song "Candy Apple Red". Unlike the great silent majority of my fellow Americans, I am not a huge fan of roots rock or the artists that perform in the genre. They include guys like The Boss, Petty, Seger, Fogerty and Mellencamp. However, I think I recognize greatness when I see and hear it. Bruce Springsteen has all the swagger and style. His recording is the bolder of the two. The lyrics are more clever and the melody is catchier. My vote goes to Bruce Springsteen singing about those "Glory Days."
Thanks, good buddy Lee!
Shady, you have plenty of back in the day memories at your site and whatever the reality was, the memories are nice to think back on when they are the good ones.
DeleteYour description of the "Glory Days" song is the way I would describe "Candy Apple Red"--"The lyrics are more clever and the melody is catchier"--funny how different views can be.
A vote for Bruce Springsteen.
Lee
The Springsteen song came to mind as we were reading ... another very good post, good Sir Arlee !
ReplyDelete... some of my Past we do Not wish to dwell upon... and the Heat is making health issues a bit worse upon me, as well.
A great 4th of July weekend to you and yours... Hello from Marshville.
Dr. Theda, good to see you here and I know what you're saying. Guess we have to take the good with the bad in life and hope the positives outweigh the negatives. Try to stay cool and stay rested.
DeleteLee
Lee, I think we have selective memory about our pasts focusing mostly on the positive things instead of the negativity. Not to say, we don't recall the bad stuff in our lives which often are triggered by a song. I don't think the way life was better than it was, but it seems like life back then was generally simpler, less stressful for kids than they are today. My accomplishments were minimal, so I can't really weigh in on this point. It's interesting I found high achievers (the athletes and brainacts) are totally different people at HS reunions. They are more my equal than they were back in the day. Their status is gone from their glory days are are just regular people. Maybe they always were, but you know how kids got thrown in a class and a person's insecurities made these kids the elite inside their own minds without even realizing it. Both songs are fabulous. Bruce Springsteen's is a great boomy dance song and I love it, but I think over all, could be my mood, I prefer Candy Apple Red. The message makes me happy. So, give my vote to Robbin Thompson! Have a funtastic, safe 4th of July weekend!
ReplyDeleteCathy, definitely selective memories. I tend to focus on positive things and don't remember much about the negative other than I survived them and came out better for it. I've noticed the same things about the people I went to school with though I've only been to one reunion and that was years ago. School is kind of a crazy experience in many ways, but it's life.
DeleteA vote for happy--Robbin Thompson
Lee
Indeed, I not only survived the negative experience but it made me a better person. :D
DeleteSpringsteen brings back bad memories for me. I don't think I had ever heard Robbin Thompson before, but I quite liked him. By default, I'm casting my vote for Robbin Thompson.
ReplyDeleteMary
Jingle Jangle Jungle
Mary, don't want to bring back any bad memories.
DeleteA default vote goes to Robbin Thompson.
Lee
Robbin Thompson gets my vote. He was reminiscing but in a good way. It wasn't my generation, but I like those images words paint.
ReplyDeleteI absolutely hated High School. I was one of the "smart group", pretty but off limits (my dad would kill anyone who), so eager to leave and get out of farm country.
Only good memories are chorus, speech, and graduation.
Susan, I guess I was one of the "smart" kids, but I was also a loner. The high school years now seem like I was walking in my sleep.
DeleteA vote for Robbin Thompson
Lee
Yep, people always forget the things besides the "glory" and make up their own oh so great story, forgetting the true details it seems.
ReplyDeleteI liked both but Springsteen wins for me.
Pat, depends on the person. I've known plenty who painted bleak pictures of their pasts.
DeleteA vote for Bruce Springsteen
Lee
Stopping by from A-to-Z Roadtrip. I hadn't seen the battle of the bands thing before. I'm going to skip voting since my poor little speakers clearly aren't up to this. :(
ReplyDeleteKaren, hope you're getting to make a lot of blog rounds. If you ever have good speakers to listen through, I hope you'll join in to vote on a future Battle.
DeleteLee
You've done it again! I was pleasantly shocked by how much I liked Candy Apple Red :-) (I figured Bruce had it in the bag!) But give me some good old barefoot-dancing music anytime. Not that I like Glory Days any less, it's just that Candy Apple Red is more representative of the frame of mind in which I stored some incredible memories :-)
ReplyDeleteDiedre, And the name "Candy Apple Red" creates a happy image.
DeleteA vote for Robbin Thompson
Lee
Lee - I'd never heard of Thompson before this, and the backstory was interesting. While I enjoyed the nostalgic lyrics, "Candy Apple Red" seemed more like something I'd hear at a small midwest town's 4th of July celebration than on the radio. (Do people still listen to those?)
ReplyDeleteMy feelings about Springsteen mirror StMcC's, but toned down. I almost never listen to him anymore, though he as by far my favorite for years. He turned into a politically uninformed pawn that just makes me mad.
However, in this one, his raw voice and professionalism win out for me over a tune that is sweet but hokey (to my ears), so he gets my vote.
SBB6, I didn't construe "hokey" from the tune, but maybe nostalgic and fun. But I guess some people think of that as hokey.
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Lee
God help us if you can call my life as having Glory Days! I have to admit a bit of bias as the Boss has been a political douchebag lately, but the second song is much catchier, and it always pissed me off that Bruce sang "speedball" rather than fastball.
ReplyDeleteCW, I'm sure you've had some special times that you don't mind thinking back on. I don't much like the Boss's attitude of late either. Maybe it's time to look for a new boss.
DeleteA vote for Robbin Thompson
Lee
My high school days were just fine. We do have selective memories when it comes to the past, that's for sure. Unfortunately, some of the things I said or did when I was younger that I preferred to forget, now pop back into my brain like vicious little demons.
ReplyDeleteOld memories lurk beneath the surface -- I'm always amazed at some of the things my mom at 97 remembers and talks about even though I never once heard those stories when she was younger.
Patricia, there are not too many severe regrets that I have, but there are my fair share of "probably shouldn't have said or done that" moments.
DeleteI wish my mother was still around because I knew I could usually get an accurate memory of things from here that I don't always get from my siblings.
Lee
BRUUUUUUCCCCEEEE! BRUUUUUUUCCCCCEEEE!
ReplyDeleteGive my vote to Bruce, inspite of the fact that his "glory days" were my favorite and he's kinda gone Hollywood on me. I like my musicians singing and playing and my politicians to be far in the distance.
My high school days were full of good and bad times; I just remember the good times and shut out the rest. And that may be rigth there under the heading of deception, but I'll take it. The alternative is to dwell on things that can't change - they're in the past.
Thanks, Lee!
Cherdo, it's probably better to deceive oneself with good memories that to wallow in depression with bad memories.
DeleteWe all probably prefer that he just shut up and sing, but still it's a vote for Bruce Springsteen
Lee
Springsteen gets my vote, Lee - in fact, I think I have that album (yes album). I like his hard hitting beat - his working man blues, too. Haven't ever heard of the other guy. . .but he sounded like many others of that time to my ears. As for your question about our 'glory days' - I think of my glory days as my twenties when I first came to Canada, but I enjoyed high school well enough. I went to an all girls school (boring) with a brother school nearby. We cruised the hangouts (like in Diner), tried to learn all the new dances and couldn't wait to get to college. . .thanks for stirring the memories, Lee.
ReplyDeleteDG, college waited for many of us in high school. College was okay for me, but not as great as I thought it might be.
DeleteAnother vote for Bruce Springsteen.
Lee
Candy Apple Red has an Eagles kind of sound to me. Never heard it before but I would have liked it back in the day.
ReplyDeleteBruce is hard to beat with being an icon of the good ol' USA so going for The Boss. (Note: I was not a fan in high school. lol He grew on me with age. I was a Hagar fan)
Stephanie Finnell
@randallbychance from
Katy Trail Creations
Stephanies Stuff
Stephanie, Robbin Thompson actually collaborated on some song writing with one or more Eagles members. He does have that sound of the era.
DeleteAnother vote for Bruce Springsteen
Lee
Love this battle, Lee. Love the music, love the theme, love the debate. A walk down memory lane can't be a bad thing—unless (or until) it becomes a rather permanent place of residence. I had a wild, wild adolescence, and I love remembering those days, love reminiscing with friends from back then... That's what memories are for, right? And, as long as we're alive and—well, breathing if not kicking :D—we have the potential to make more memories. This moment, right here and now: how will we remember it? Will it blur into invisibility, or will it become one of those highlighted, neon-glow recollections? It's largely up to us to live in a way that generates more (or less) of these high-water-mark moments, isn't it? And if wallowing in the past is getting in the way of living the here and now fully, then... Well.
ReplyDeleteIn that spirit, my vote goes to Bruce. Glory Days isn't my favorite Springsteen song, but it speaks closer to my own feelings re living in the past (and forgetting about today) than Robbin's. It really does feel like Robbin was that friend Bruce sings about in the first verse :D
Great battle, Lee!
Guilie @ Quiet Laughter
P.S. — very, very late, but I did post a Battle today :)
Guilie, I'm making new memories every day as long as can keep remembering them. I love talking about old times, but I don't put any blame on them for where I am now--not for any reason. What was was and what is is.
DeleteA vote for Bruce Springsteen
Lee
I mostly view my high school days as something that I had to endure. Being shorter than average, there was lots of teasing and bullying that I endured. However, I spent the last week of high school crying my eyes out because I was afraid to leave the known and be thrown into the unknown that was to come. College was great! I was already engaged and David and I were there together. It had a few bumps, but it was wonderful.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that I deceive myself about the past. I have always been pretty much a realist. Good or bad, it was what it was. It all brought me to who I am now.
How I think about folks' bragging really depends on their attitude and tones while bragging. If they're doing it in such a way that others are treated as nothing in the process, then I don't want any part of it. Once can be happy about their accomplishments without treating others like dirt or like they are less. But the kind of bragging that is just so happy about something that you can't hold it in and you're trying to share the happiness with others? That kind of bragging is great! Smile-spreading is always a good thing. :)
On the music...Bruce Springsteen, always and forever. :) His music is forever entertwined with my college and young love days. The other guy has a nice voice, which reminds me somewhat of Collin Raye (whose music I love!), but nothing beats the raw emotion and, as the kids say, "feels" of Bruce's music and lyrics.
Have a great night and a wonderful 4th!
Suzanne, age seems to be the great leveler of status other than having wealth perhaps. Some might still bask in their accomplishments of youth, but for most of us those things just don't mean as much as they once did.
DeleteAnother vote for Bruce Springsteen
Lee
Bruce has long been a fave but pitted against Robbin, I have found a new fave. Everything about his song was fun, upbeat, and worthy to be a challenge to Bruce!!
ReplyDeleteVote for Robbin.
Dixie, let's hear a cheer for fun on this 4th holiday!
DeleteA vote for Robbin Thompson
Lee
Good thing I got to this, or I wouldn't be able to vote. Can't have that, now can we?
ReplyDeleteRobbin would get my vote anyway by default, because I can't stand Springsteen. Robbin's song is just better musically, so it's not entirely a vendetta against Da Boss.
John, No vendetta taken. I think you speak what is true.
DeleteLee
Robbin's song was neat. But I have to go with Da Boss on this one.
ReplyDeleteMike, last minute vote for...
DeleteBruce Springsteen
lee