tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post8831666270619495770..comments2024-03-28T22:21:46.973-07:00Comments on Tossing It Out: I'd Rather Not Be InvolvedArlee Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-10948768378536829882010-03-13T08:44:17.535-08:002010-03-13T08:44:17.535-08:00Terri -- no management company? Yikes! Seems like...Terri -- no management company? Yikes! Seems like that would even be a bigger nightmare for the board. Our management company acts as a go between so that theoretically board members don't have to deal with the everyday complaints and problems.<br />LeeArlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-69541538933160313112010-03-13T07:17:07.873-08:002010-03-13T07:17:07.873-08:00Oh wow--I've enjoyed skimming some of your pos...Oh wow--I've enjoyed skimming some of your posts! You are an interesting person! This post spoke to me as we too were on the board and tried hard to get it all together--but then when it's time to step down, no one else will come along. This past Dec, we fired the management company and now our community is without one. <br /> Anyways, thanks for visiting my blog! I look forward to reading more from you:)Terri Tiffanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771622379178654235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-63350058222702614442010-03-10T23:38:25.208-08:002010-03-10T23:38:25.208-08:00Lee, caught up with your posts again...you are a p...Lee, caught up with your posts again...you are a prolific blogger! <br />Being involved can be a blessing or a curse...and I've been there done that!...and what you say is so so true. If you do a good job...no one will stand against you and you are stuck with it....and knowing a little of your nature, you would be giving it your very best. Don't know what the solution is Lee, but somewhere along the line I had to say NO...and mean it! <br /><br />If you have time I'd like you to comment on my most recent blog about ObamaWhite Dovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01534048060329465218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-3999949645616202822010-03-09T19:21:44.719-08:002010-03-09T19:21:44.719-08:00Busy, lazy, oblivious. It's pretty universal....Busy, lazy, oblivious. It's pretty universal. Hubby is in a sporting club. He won reelection again... unopposed. I've had similar experiences in volunteer organizations.<br /><br />I think there are many people who would step up if they (1) knew there was the need, and (2) knew they could get out when they wanted.Lillian Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13488638666900705015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-13215994679635048242010-03-09T16:19:14.539-08:002010-03-09T16:19:14.539-08:00Your situation would make a wonderful romance plot...Your situation would make a wonderful romance plotline! It's the sort of thing that could pit a h/h against each other yet have them working for the same goal. Thanks for posting!Lydia Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15269369652743690212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-79529870121446799022010-03-09T15:37:29.755-08:002010-03-09T15:37:29.755-08:00Thanks for the responses and for the stories about...Thanks for the responses and for the stories about some of your own experiences. I think most people, including me, want somebody else to take care of things, but are willing to step up when the situation absolutely demands it.<br /><br />As Ron points out, the willingness to volunteer goes back thousands of years. We want someone else to lead, but they'd better do it right.<br /><br />Gregg, thanks for your account of your personal experience. The funny thing about your story was that you guys wanted to form your association to galvanize the community with a common cause, but once you accomplished your goals people lost interest. In our case, it was something that was set up by the developers, I guess as something attractive to potential homeowners.<br /><br />I had never lived in a community with an association before so I didn't really know much about it. If I move again I would probably avoid a community that was governed by an association.<br /><br />Thanks again for some really great comments!<br />LeeArlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-68907946862852644872010-03-09T14:58:35.324-08:002010-03-09T14:58:35.324-08:00I've never heard of a neighbourhood associatio...I've never heard of a neighbourhood association :)<br /><br />I think most people's lives are very busy and full & it's hard to find more time. When my kids were in sports, I tried to do my share, but sometimes it's really tough.Jemi Fraserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02214408467456320167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-21176489292606049482010-03-09T13:41:22.774-08:002010-03-09T13:41:22.774-08:00By the way, I the Kahlua Chili recipie came up in ...By the way, I the Kahlua Chili recipie came up in queue today. If you would still like to see what is in it pop on over.Gregg Metcalfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16413691313803396844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-14244167997076456352010-03-09T10:59:02.808-08:002010-03-09T10:59:02.808-08:00I think leadership is an innate quality, and also,...I think leadership is an innate quality, and also, that everyone can't be the leader...you'd have no followers and nothing would ever get done.<br />You pretty much answered your own questions, I think. :) It's like wealth... approx. ten percent own ninety percent of all the money. Or as you said, approx. ten percent donate most of the charitable contributions or work efforts.<br />I agree with you about complainers. I hate it when people do nothing to contribute, but are constantly complaining.<br />Unfortunately, it usually takes near disaster before more poeple step up to help.<br />I don't think I answered you questions, but... :)<br />Best wishes to you with your future decisions.Anitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08180243708565855383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-19419561956039285602010-03-09T09:23:42.416-08:002010-03-09T09:23:42.416-08:00There's a saying that 20 % of the people do 80...There's a saying that 20 % of the people do 80% of the work.<br /><br />Hope you can get out of your committment soon.L. Diane Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06425864276166334896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-38220149949730503232010-03-09T08:30:02.633-08:002010-03-09T08:30:02.633-08:00rLEE-b ~
I have never lived under the authority of...rLEE-b ~<br />I have never lived under the authority of a homeowner's association. And in fact, when I go house-hunting, making certain that there is no HOA is my first order of business.<br /><br />I understand the reasons that Homeowners Associations are set up, and it sounds good on the surface, but I've heard so many horror stories about them over the years that I choose the alternative. <br /><br />I'd rather take my chances against some screwball moving into the neighborhood, painting his house purple, and setting up an automobile repair business on his front lawn than pay a monthly fee to an HOA to be tyrannized by continual 'small potatoes' rule enforcement by little people on power trips. <br /><br />I'm not saying all Homeowners Association Boards are like that (and certainly not you), but I've heard WAY TOO MANY STORIES of this sort. I'd rather take a gamble and roll the dice. (And so far - knock on my noggin - my gambling has paid off.)<br /><br />~ "Lonesome Dogg" McMeStephen T. McCarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00249125637725791567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-61502321628226067622010-03-09T07:48:49.500-08:002010-03-09T07:48:49.500-08:00I tried to leave a comment earlier and it may have...I tried to leave a comment earlier and it may have malfunctioned. If this is a duplicate then please ignore it.<br /><br />My wife and I moved into a brand-new neighborhood. It had one street leading into the development with branch streets with approximately 50 homes. This new development did not have neighborhood association.<br /><br />Shortly after moving in however, we began to hear "rumors" that a 7-11" type store wanted to build on a vacant piece of land directly behind our development.<br /><br />As neighbors began to worry about increased traffic, noise, crime, loitering, littering, alcohol, and endless other worries, someone decided that something needed to be done. Flyers were passed out to each resident about a meeting to form a neighborhood association in order to fight the incoming "store."<br /><br />My wife and I showed up. The meeting was jammed packed. However, with tempers flaring, it was disorderly, unorganized, and going nowhere fast. I am an organizer, administrator, and a let's get r done type. So, I quieted them down and said it seems like there are at least four things you need to do and here's how to do them. Some smart aleck yelled out, great, you are now the president and let's get r done.<br /><br />Well, they did move to organize, nominate officers, have an actual election, choose a name, and proceed. Guess what? No one would accept nomination for president and they insisited I accept. I thought ok, how tough can this be?<br /><br />We had to form from scratch. I had to develop our by-laws, go before the City Council & Mayor, etc.<br /><br />We got up and running and sucessfully stopped the building of a commerical enterprise on that vacant land.<br /><br />Then the steam seemed to start leaking. Energy declined, input, ceased, participation waned.<br /><br />By the second term of elections there was no one who wanted to run anything and I was "elected" by default. We handled a couple more issues, but no one wanted to be involved or take care of business.<br /><br />Then the third term arrived. I did not want to continue in a position that was unsupported as evidenced by the declining interest and lack of participation. It looked as if a third term was going to "forced" on me. I had toyed with the idea of moving, so I said I can't, I will not be living in the association. So I didn't run, though I attended the meetings. After living there 5 years we did move.<br /><br />The Presidency was not filled. The VP resigned, I think for health reasons. The association came to a halt.<br /><br />We would go back and visit neighbors with whom we had become close friends. They shared that the association stopped meeting. There were no officers and the neighborhood was quiet.<br /><br />But about two years after we moved, and the association died for lack of participation, Rite Aid bought the vacant land. They built there store. The things the association feared came about and now the development "copes" and lives with the problems. Granted, the problems are less severe and usually a different type than a "7-11" or that type of store would have brought.<br /><br />Forgive me for being verbose, but I said that to say this. I don't know if i would do that again. Everyone has ideas, everyone wants to voice them, everyone wants to be heard, but very few want to get into the trenches and make it happen. It was the old 80/20 rule, 80% of the work was done by 20% of the people involved.<br /><br />It is amazing that so much gets done in this country by so few, regardless of whether it is a neighborhood association, club, church, city government.<br /><br />Involvment is the key not angry accusations or condeming criticism because something isn't being done. We had some good people living in that development who had good ideas, but didn't want to be part of the solution.<br /><br />Someone onces said something along the lines of, evil prevails when good men do nothing. You have all heard it said, "Be part of the solution, not part of the problem."Gregg Metcalfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16413691313803396844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-3575810709303543382010-03-09T06:21:36.351-08:002010-03-09T06:21:36.351-08:00Thank you for remembering my comment.
We moved in...Thank you for remembering my comment.<br /><br />We moved into a brand new housing development that did not have a neighborhood association.<br /><br /> Shortly after moving in we in the neighborhood began hearing rumors that on the vacant land directly behind our cul-de-sac housing track, a 7-11 type store wanted to build. There was one street into our development with several streets and about 50 homes once you got inside. <br /><br />Someone thought something should be done and so they left flyers on all our doors about a meeting to form an association to "fight" or stop commercial buidling on the land.<br /><br />My wife and I attended. It was a bit disorderly and rambuncious with tempers flaring about traffice, noise, crime, loitering, littering, alchohol, and etc.<br /><br />Being an administrator, with organizational skills, etc. I was going nuts over the disorderliness and the proverbial treadmill we were on so I said, it seems that there are four things you need to do and here is what you should do them to get rolling.<br /><br />Some smart aleck said, since you have a plan and can lead, you are now the President and let's get rolling. Well, they did have actual nominations and elections then, and yikes, I was elected.<br /><br />I had to develop the entire thing from the ground including going to the City Council and having a hearing before the Mayor and etc.<br /><br />We formed the association, we were sucessful in stopping the store from coming in. <br /><br />Others things would come and go and we tried to handle them. But when the second term came up everyone had ideas about what they wanted and what we should do but no one wanted to do them. My second term was by default, no nominations,no one to run against me. <br /><br />Soon after that attendance dropped, energy dropped, people expected I would just get r done.<br /><br />Third term came and it was going to be the same. But I had toyed with the idea of moving and I said I can't serve, as I will be moving out of the neighborhood.<br /><br />They didn't get anyone for the President, the VP shortly resigned for I think health reasons.<br /><br />The association limped along then stopped. We moved after living there 5 years. <br /><br />After we moved we visited some neighbors who had become great friends. The told us the association died. It ceased to exist.<br /><br />Guess what? Rite Aid bought the land and put in their store. The traffic is horrendous, the problems we feared surfaced.<br /> <br />The expereince turned out to fit the 20/80 rule. 20% of the people (if that was even the right #) did 80% of the work.<br /><br />I think it is sad when everyone has an agenda, everyone wants results, yet no one wants to expend the energy to make it happen.<br /><br />I don't think I would be on a board like that again.Gregg Metcalfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16413691313803396844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-25027138831974258192010-03-09T05:54:57.054-08:002010-03-09T05:54:57.054-08:00I have been involved in several leadership positio...I have been involved in several leadership positions in churches over the years. Apathy in churches is legion. I would estimate only 10 to 15 percent were willing to get involved. <br /><br />And yes complaining seems to be the national pass time of the human race.<br />The Israels were constantly complaining to Moses about everything. Nothing much has changed in over 3000 years.<br /><br />When I was in my 20s I was a supervisor of a meat packing house for 7 years. When my employees complained, I simply told them is they didn't like their job they were more than welcome to quit. That usually shut them up. Not so in the volunteer world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-47893146563424734802010-03-09T04:09:10.226-08:002010-03-09T04:09:10.226-08:00I suppose most people like to get involved to help...I suppose most people like to get involved to help the community, also it perhaps gives them something to think about especially if that person lives alone. Getting involved helps in that direction.<br />When my children were small both my husband and myself belonged to the school's PTA, raisning funds for a swimming pool and school trips. It was most enjoyable but after a few years we too felt enough was enough, other things came on the scene , the children were getting older and doing their own thing so we bought a touring trailer and off we went each week-end fun seeking.<br /><br />I enjoyed your post as usual , if you think that enough is enough then why not look for some other thing to get involved with.....one you will enjoy.<br /><br />Have a good day.<br />Yvonne.RHYTHM AND RHYMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11386975261804630799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-48314541144743839032010-03-09T04:05:05.485-08:002010-03-09T04:05:05.485-08:00Our community doesn't have one, which is good ...Our community doesn't have one, which is good I guess, although there are subdivision laws and rules to follow.<br />Everyone wants results but no one wants to take action. Sad human behavior I guess.Alex J. Cavanaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770065693345181702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-65678819931809176832010-03-09T02:40:40.958-08:002010-03-09T02:40:40.958-08:00This was really an interesting post. I read every ...This was really an interesting post. I read every word, even though I usually skim longer posts lol. And I also have no interest in politics, but you made it sound so compelling that if I were in this situation, I think i'd rush right down and volunteer for the board. Or send my husband lol.<br /><br />It's a shame that more of your community aren't willing to take on some of the burden. Don't you think that's selfishness? And it's exhibiting itself in all facets of our culture, which is why it boils down to "let the government do it." I admire and respect what you are doing. I'll bet many of the community do too, even though you don't hear them, you just hear the whiners and complainers.Karen Jones Gowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153821980625034810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-32755116260331035492010-03-09T02:36:17.336-08:002010-03-09T02:36:17.336-08:00I think many times people go on the approach "...I think many times people go on the approach "Oh, someone else will step up and do a better job than me".<br /><br />Hope you can relinguish your duties and move on.Donna McDinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00959673932828354020noreply@blogger.com