tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post722764851201554938..comments2024-03-28T22:21:46.973-07:00Comments on Tossing It Out: Crazy Love (#BOTB)Arlee Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-10506475659772318392024-02-01T05:45:11.942-08:002024-02-01T05:45:11.942-08:00Lee,
Better late then never, but I'm just now...Lee,<br /><br />Better late then never, but I'm just now seeing where your reply. But, yeah it would appear that we colluded on this battle round. lol CAAChttps://curiousasacathy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-77630014318914213042017-03-04T16:35:03.985-08:002017-03-04T16:35:03.985-08:00Birgit, the biggest problem we have today is the c...Birgit, the biggest problem we have today is the constant bombardment of "news" info which can lead to "brainwashing' or mind-shaping if one gets a continual diet of any one side.<br /><br />A vote for <b>Duo</b>.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-23172257855015688362017-03-04T16:31:05.245-08:002017-03-04T16:31:05.245-08:00OE, I always aim for enlightenment even if it does...OE, I always aim for enlightenment even if it doesn't result in a vote.<br /><br />LeeArlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-29602116124075051342017-03-04T13:11:47.410-08:002017-03-04T13:11:47.410-08:00The press have been doing this since the press beg...The press have been doing this since the press began, the key is to try to distinguish from news trying to give the best reporting meaning taking no sides to that of which sells papers or advertisers. Hearst could ruin a person just by having his newspaper bash the person( Roscoe Fatty Arbuckle). Film can sway people to make them believe that a bio or a historical film created for people to watch actually did happen the way when usually, it didn't. Birth of a Nation from 1915 is considered a great film and one that brought the film to be considered an art form yet it brought the resurgence of the KKK which is truly disgusting. Ok so on with the BOTB....I really enjoyed the duo and their styling which brought an air of sophistication to this song so they get my voteBirgithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09439720285857050428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-31475727934849214652017-03-04T11:58:19.798-08:002017-03-04T11:58:19.798-08:00My very first time hearing that song (any of the v...My very first time hearing that song (any of the versions)...now I feel enlightened :)Optimistic Existentialisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11507986337866049924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-52797308388209662112017-03-03T07:18:01.291-08:002017-03-03T07:18:01.291-08:00Robin, the quote was very interesting. Just goes ...Robin, the quote was very interesting. Just goes to show that the more things change, the more they stay the same.<br /><br />Miki no. <b>Duo</b> si.<br /><br />LeeArlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-34980743252880190412017-03-03T06:50:37.656-08:002017-03-03T06:50:37.656-08:00I am in complete agreement with StMc on propaganda...I am in complete agreement with StMc on propaganda.<br /><br />In song, I didn't care for Miki. The Duo wins this for me.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02362240669287746770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-5755443962506055492017-03-02T18:23:57.396-08:002017-03-02T18:23:57.396-08:00Debbie D, a steady diet of propaganda would certai...Debbie D, a steady diet of propaganda would certainly wear thin, but I like to compare the styles of different governments and the films are a bit of a novelty for me though I wouldn't want to be constantly subjected to propaganda laden media--though in a way I think we are, except it just looks different now.<br /><br />I agree that the last minute was repetitive, but I'm thinking that this was purposeful to depict the dying gasps of the bourgeoisie class. A similar tactic is used in another music clip from the film where the music kind of just degenerates into wildness. <i>Soy Cuba</i> is an interesting film excursion if you get a chance to see it.<br /><br />A vote for <b>Duo</b>.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-12505546119437598052017-03-02T18:18:51.534-08:002017-03-02T18:18:51.534-08:00Roland, Potemkin is a fine film. That's the o...Roland, <i>Potemkin</i> is a fine film. That's the only one of his films that I recall seeing.<br /><br />A vote for the foot-tapping version by <b>Miki</b>.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-36734195526952938232017-03-02T17:09:54.166-08:002017-03-02T17:09:54.166-08:00Propaganda is so tiresome and hopefully, people ha...Propaganda is so tiresome and hopefully, people have the intelligence to distinguish it from reality (historically not the case). Using it in art and film is certainly more interesting than just the written word and it does have a place in history. As for your battle, it's truly a unique one! This song was unknown to me and I really enjoyed Paul Anka's original the best. Since it's not part of the vote, then I'll have to choose Dúo Los Diablos, although the last minute was a bit repetitive. They gave it more dramatic flair. The video was good too, but that had no bearing on my choice.Debbie D. https://www.blogger.com/profile/13153118405565035071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-5503589423942666902017-03-02T16:08:58.878-08:002017-03-02T16:08:58.878-08:00Although I loved the cinematography of Diablos, it...Although I loved the cinematography of Diablos, it was the music of Miki Jevremovic that got me tapping so I vote for him.<br />Ad for propaganda art, I've always been a fan of Eisenstein in films like Battleship Potemkin. However, I prefer his other films like Alexander Nevsky.<br />Roland Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03302133565980901397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-87680164430176262952017-03-02T13:40:33.534-08:002017-03-02T13:40:33.534-08:00Olga, not too much advertising overtly affects me ...Olga, not too much advertising overtly affects me other than certain ads about food which might entice me. Sometimes after seeing a particularly good looking restaurant ad, I might end up getting something at that restaurant in the next few days. The food is rarely quite as good as it looked in the ad, but still I get lured by those ads sometimes.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-2359336680758961912017-03-02T13:37:09.458-08:002017-03-02T13:37:09.458-08:00SBB6, it might look pretty weird to keep Nazi stuf...SBB6, it might look pretty weird to keep Nazi stuff on display in ones home and it does carry a lot negative history, but still it is history so it is significant from that aspect. I think I'd rather have old circus and magic posters in my house than old political propaganda.<br /><br />Another vote for <b>Duo</b>.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-81408562046767511522017-03-02T13:32:36.437-08:002017-03-02T13:32:36.437-08:00JoJo, I think Cuba would be wise to exploit that o...JoJo, I think Cuba would be wise to exploit that old car culture as part of a tourist draw. The island nation should fix its crumbling infrastructure, but preserve its historic heritage because its cool to see and kind of novel like Bourbon St in New Orleans or certain old cities in Europe.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-15359410445821071902017-03-02T13:08:22.504-08:002017-03-02T13:08:22.504-08:00The Duo of the Devil drives me crazy a bit more sl...The Duo of the Devil drives me crazy a bit more slowly than Miki, so they get the vote. Although I did not allow my vote to be influenced by the video part of the presentation, the Duo had a beautiful and interesting video.<br /><br />I dislike propaganda, but I often like propaganda ART... from an historical perspective. I think Communist posters and posters from WWII are interesting. All those "Buy War Bonds" and "Save Scrap Metal" posters are very cool. Heck, even Nazi propaganda is interesting, although I would never personally own any of it. There is an auction house that I have bought from in the past which frequently features WWII Nazi items, so I have seen a lot of sort of propaganda. It is amazing how they managed to sell their load of hooey to the populace. But they did, and often it was thru Anti-Semite books or posters. Pretty vile stuff. Most propaganda is more subtle than that.Sheboyganboy VInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-1890781010461961982017-03-02T12:53:34.288-08:002017-03-02T12:53:34.288-08:00The only advertising I ever liked was the one for ...The only advertising I ever liked was the one for a Canadian beer a few years ago, when a guy says triumphantly, "I am Canadian," and then talks about beavers and moose and hockey and the rest of Canadian staples. It tickled my pride in Canada - I love my new country - but it didn't make me want to buy beer. :)) Olga Godimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00358026814685611301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-29097186172213058182017-03-02T12:50:02.771-08:002017-03-02T12:50:02.771-08:00I'm not interested in propaganda anything real...I'm not interested in propaganda anything really. Cuba never held any interest for me either. I think the embargo was ridiculous as we entered the 21st century. I know some people who have been to Cuba....they do have some funky cars.JoJohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18165375435543044068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-45906930793970215612017-03-02T12:48:27.426-08:002017-03-02T12:48:27.426-08:00Yes, propaganda and marketing have a lot in common...Yes, propaganda and marketing have a lot in common, you're right. I never thought of it but I don't trust either.Olga Godimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00358026814685611301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-70205982756030549792017-03-02T12:04:34.816-08:002017-03-02T12:04:34.816-08:00Juneta Key left her vote on my previous post:
Can...Juneta Key left her vote on my previous post:<br /><br /><i>Can't say I cared for either of the band choices but between the two Miki Jevremović is the pick. <br /><br />I find past propaganda interesting as well especially under the surface of not obvious. Good post. <br /><br />Juneta @ Writer's Gambit </i>.<br /><br />Another vote for <b>Miki</b><br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-79635829564337128412017-03-02T12:03:00.758-08:002017-03-02T12:03:00.758-08:00STMcC, thanks for this outstanding comment. That ...STMcC, thanks for this outstanding comment. That ending quote is very interesting considering when it was said--so relevant for our time! The masses are so strongly influenced by the media everywhere. An irony is how our country will condemn propaganda elsewhere and yet we are doing essentially the same with our own agenda.<br /><br />As you say, the cinematography is very similar to what Welles did in <i>Touch of Evil</i>, but I think there is a lot of the influence of Fellini as well. <br /><br />I kind of expected you to vote for Duo Los Diablos, but Miki's version is deserving as well.<br /><br />A vote for <b>Miki</b>.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-11725469398659252062017-03-02T11:46:05.765-08:002017-03-02T11:46:05.765-08:00This was a really interesting BOTB installment, LE...This was a really interesting BOTB installment, LEE. Bravo!<br /><br />My vote goes to MIKI. I preferred both the tempo and the instrumentation. Very neat and smoky. I listened to it a second time just for the pleasure of it.<br /><br />However, that cinematography in the second video was outstanding. It was very nearly a single shot with great, carefully planned camera movement. It seems to me that it was very clearly inspired by that single, astoundingly extraordinary opening shot by Orson Welles in his Film Noir classic 'TOUCH OF EVIL'. <br /><br />As for the press and propaganda... The fact of the matter is that for all of our lives the vast majority of the Mainstream Media has been used to condition us to accept the "progress" planned for us by The Wizards Behind The Curtain. There has NEVER been honest reporting, not by CNN, not by any other major news organ. Even "the most trusted man in America", Walter Cronkite, was propagandizing us.<br /><br />The only difference is that back then they were much more subtle about it so that the masses wouldn't catch on. Today, they are just totally brazen about it. They are promoting the New World Order of Global Socialism run by the Oligarchy (Money Wizards). All the major, mainstream media sources are owned by a very small number of mega-corporations (six, if I recall correctly), and those corporations are primarily owned by International Bankers -- the Wizards who call the shots.<br /><br />The Mainstream Media hasn't really gotten worse, it's merely become more open about what it's been doing all along. <br /><br />Here's an interesting quote for ya:<br /><br /><b>"There is no such a thing in America as an independent press, unless it is out in country towns. You are all slaves. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to express an honest opinion. If you expressed it, you would know beforehand that it would never appear in print. ... The business of a New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to villify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same — his salary. You know this, and I know it; and what foolery to be toasting an "Independent Press"! We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the string and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."</b><br /><br />That was stated by New York editor John Swinton.<br />The year? 1883.<br /><br />~ D-FensDogG<br />Check out my new blog @<br />(Link:] <b><a href="http://stephentmccarthyreviews.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Stephen T. McCarthy Reviews...</a></b>Stephen T. McCarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00249125637725791567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-22242358167408308632017-03-02T11:31:16.558-08:002017-03-02T11:31:16.558-08:00John, Soy Cuba is definitely a film I want to revi...John, <i>Soy Cuba</i> is definitely a film I want to revisit and watch more closely.<br /><br />Another vote for <b>Miki</b>.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-32108723813087049702017-03-02T11:29:56.384-08:002017-03-02T11:29:56.384-08:00Diedre, thank you! "Softer, supplicating res...Diedre, thank you! "Softer, supplicating resonance"...I like that.<br /><br />a vote for <b>Duo</b>.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-46183259418288085362017-03-02T11:28:41.980-08:002017-03-02T11:28:41.980-08:00Mike, you got it...
A vote for Miki.
LeeMike, you got it...<br /><br />A vote for <b>Miki</b>.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-37224150230585182362017-03-02T11:02:37.409-08:002017-03-02T11:02:37.409-08:00Either of these versions is better than the origin...Either of these versions is better than the original. Miki Jeremovi&cacute; was the better of the two, I thought, but you're right, the cinematography was interesting.John Holtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00545030511941957804noreply@blogger.com