tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post787421639708270742..comments2024-03-28T22:21:46.973-07:00Comments on Tossing It Out: Should We Ban (Insert Topic Here)?Arlee Birdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-16155961682569791752013-02-10T11:25:12.029-08:002013-02-10T11:25:12.029-08:00Lee,
I am enjoying perusing your blog as I am visi...Lee,<br />I am enjoying perusing your blog as I am visiting the A to Z blog sponsors. Seems like the Lord has blessed your brainstorm of a few years ago. I like your style and your ticklers. Can't help but want to come back. Still considering whether to join the A to Z challenge. It looks like fun and not to difficult, but with the admonitions with which it begins, I wonder if I am missing something. Anyway. This is the introduction you asked of new followers. I can be visited at: http://delightdirectedliving.blogspot.com/. I can't wait to see what you are tossing out. I'm grateful that I visited. God bless, MariaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12248483093711799736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-78599056218251412902013-02-09T14:57:06.618-08:002013-02-09T14:57:06.618-08:00Danielle - Thanks for letting yourself be known to...Danielle - Thanks for letting yourself be known to me. I do plan to address all of these issues in future posts. So many people are fixated on the gun control issue and I think they are missing the possible root causes behind the shooting problems. I don't think we should stop at what seems to be the glaring solution and not take into account what's really happening. Be watching for more and please continue dropping by.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-78607108189589185702013-02-09T13:57:09.353-08:002013-02-09T13:57:09.353-08:00You definitely raised a lot of very interesting qu...You definitely raised a lot of very interesting questions. I like how you did it, too; thought provoking, but not in a way to incite arguing. <br /><br />I don't think we need more government regulations for the most part. People eventually have to assume some responsibility for their own actions, without the government acting as a nanny. <br /><br />I think you may be on to something in asking if we should make it harder to have children, or if parents should have to undergo some training. I think the answers to that are YES and probably. The ability to reproduce doesn't mean it's a good idea for a person to. <br /><br />You have to take a test to prove you can drive, you have to have a criminal background check for a concealed weapons permit (at least in my home state), but NOTHING other than the ability to conceive or impregnate to produce and raise a child, which you will then send out into the world with any and all baggage, issues, problems, etc you created, caused, allowed to flourish, etc. That scares me a little. <br /><br />Again, very interesting questions. Danielle L Zecherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01492742250595537348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-24842209790994656572012-12-20T21:54:19.641-08:002012-12-20T21:54:19.641-08:00Andrew -- I'm not a big proponent of psychotro...Andrew -- I'm not a big proponent of psychotropic meds. I don't know a huge amount about them, but I think you're right that they just cover up the problem.<br /><br />Moondust -- I believe you are right. Stuff happens and people die all the time. Life goes on. We need to strive for the goodness, but we need as many people on the same page as possible to make it all work.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-49669872810920032912012-12-20T11:23:08.843-08:002012-12-20T11:23:08.843-08:00These facts are a little old but...
In 2003, an av...These facts are a little old but...<br />In 2003, an average of 6 children a day (in the US) died from car accidents.<br />Cars accidents are the leading cause of death of children.<br />Ban cars!!!<br /><br />I'm sorry if I sound flippant but there is no answer - bad things happen to good people. People need to continue to override evil with goodness.<br />moondustwriterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09848554806751678968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-17350652199519658722012-12-20T09:10:30.813-08:002012-12-20T09:10:30.813-08:00Well, that's certainly true; however, those ar...Well, that's certainly true; however, those aren't easy fixes, and our current mode of dealing with that stuff is drug people, which doesn't fix anything; it just buries it.<br /><br />Making it more difficult for people to own guns is certainly a step toward ending unnecessary deaths until we all become enlightened.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-76655311688671796602012-12-20T09:07:28.221-08:002012-12-20T09:07:28.221-08:00Andrew -- I think our society, and the world for t...Andrew -- I think our society, and the world for that matter, is filled with angry people who don't know how to address that anger. It probably wouldn't hurt to work on our societal ills.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-40834478407572685182012-12-20T08:55:26.468-08:002012-12-20T08:55:26.468-08:00People that really want to kill can always come up...People that really want to kill can always come up with ways to do that; however, many people that don't really want to kill, do, and they only do it because they are angry and have a gun handy. That is just the sad truth.<br />Also, bombs are illegal. How many deaths by bomb have we had in the USA in the last year?<br />Falling back on people can always come up with a way to kill someone else is a lousy excuse to allow continued gun violence.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-72640176311615078872012-12-19T22:18:11.547-08:002012-12-19T22:18:11.547-08:00Trisha -- This world can be a very ugly place. I&...Trisha -- This world can be a very ugly place. I'm no fan of guns. I've never owned on and only once have I fired one, in my younger days, some 40 years ago. I do, however, understand the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment and the deadly force of oppressive powers, whether governments or gangland thugs. I'll be posting on this topic in a future post.<br />Thanks for stopping back by.<br /><br />Lee<br /><br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-56674343950137613712012-12-19T19:25:46.474-08:002012-12-19T19:25:46.474-08:00Much easier and quicker to go out and buy a gun an...Much easier and quicker to go out and buy a gun and a bunch of bullets than it is to figure out how to make your own bomb. Seriously.<br /><br />I will never understand this gun-loving culture, but then that's natural 'cause I come from a different kind of culture.Trishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16927558937796802496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-84685365967200234232012-12-18T15:55:34.994-08:002012-12-18T15:55:34.994-08:00Faraway eyes -- You said what many of us have thou...Faraway eyes -- You said what many of us have thought.<br /><br />Yvonne-- There have always been evil people in this world and we cannot legislate them into goodness.<br /><br />Dr. Johnny-- You have touched upon some of the things I will probably be dealing with in the future. Well said, my friend.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-70780375231366199612012-12-18T14:31:10.876-08:002012-12-18T14:31:10.876-08:00Should we ban hand guns,cars, knives, baseball bat...Should we ban hand guns,cars, knives, baseball bats, fists, crossbows, rocks, or anything that might be viewed as a weapon? Of course not. Any of these objects can be lethal, in the hands of a sick person. <br /> In view of what has taken place in our schools, why have we not placed armed individuals in such areas as these? An armed person would not have let that madman enter that Elementary school.<br /> Guns in the wrong hands do kill. Upright citizens of sound minds act accordingly.<br /> Another area we need to address is the fact that, too many emotiononally sick people are walking the streets these days unmonitored. Why aren't they hospitalized in mental institutions? <br /> The government should concentrate in this area instead of more useless gun control laws, which have not been effective.<br /> God bless the city of Newtown, and their residents. These slain children should never be forgotten. America's heart has been broken.Johnny Velazquez, PhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15698856320417709519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-37089256282253044622012-12-18T02:26:18.567-08:002012-12-18T02:26:18.567-08:00This was a terrible thing to happen and in a schoo...This was a terrible thing to happen and in a school of all places where parents think their children should be safe.<br />Some people I suppose think they need to own a gun for the safety of their families, but there is always someone whose mind is not capable to fully understand how dangerous these weapons are. Here in the UK some time back a man went on the rampage in The Lake District just killing anyone he saw before shooting himself. It's a sad, mad world we live in times like these.<br /><br />Yvonne.YVONNE'S POETRY CORNERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14072854696145110593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-29219501005182291832012-12-17T20:08:11.165-08:002012-12-17T20:08:11.165-08:00You CANNOT legislate morality. That's been sai...You CANNOT legislate morality. That's been said several different ways here. It's especially true when those who are the 'law makers' don't have the least degree of morality about them. The only place where more control needs to be taken, is in taking it AWAY from the devils who have been in charge for too long now.farawayeyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17578277501054242356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-74412962244502588822012-12-17T20:07:19.796-08:002012-12-17T20:07:19.796-08:00Larry -- You're there! Those are some of the a...Larry -- You're there! Those are some of the answers I was looking for. I don't think our government, our media, or most of our populace will ever admit to the truth of this. I have no reason to believe it as much as I would like to believe it.<br /><br />Chuck - You are so right. There are so many more effective ways to kill a lot of people faster than the fastest firing guns ever could. 9/11 proved that. An imaginative psycho or most run of the mill creative writers can think of many ways to commit mass murder and mayhem, often with items easily obtainable by anyone. Writers of fiction may want to consider this when they write violent material.<br /><br />Lee<br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-16621760602852686712012-12-17T19:45:07.581-08:002012-12-17T19:45:07.581-08:00Lee you certainly threw enough chum in the water t...Lee you certainly threw enough chum in the water to get a frenzy of activity. I have opinions on probably all your topics but for the sake of brevity I will not attempt all of them today. I however look forward to your posts on any of those subject and may choose a couple to post about in the near future.<br /><br />Yes, I did hear almost equally about the NewTown and China attacks. And we can just stop the gun control talk with this statement: If guns hadn't been available he could have just bombed the building, malatov cocktailed the classrooms, etc. There are much more effective ways to create mass death. And the knives in China clearly demonstrate guns are not necessary. So just stop with all the "ban guns" talk. I mean really limiting a magazine to just 10 shots instead of 13 or 15...who are we kidding. The problem here lies much deeper. Suffice to say this kid would have found another way to accomplish his end. After all he started with his mother.<br /><br />And speaking to your point on additives in food...absolutely. You read my FDA post so you have a pretty good idea where I stand on this entire genre of a subject. <br /><br />Your mention of violent videos games is interesting in light of a recent episode of Criminal Minds I saw. In this one 2 young guys kidnap an entire bus of high school kids to cull out 10 they intend to use in a real life first-person shooter "video" game. I like the show Criminal Minds but I sometimes wonder if these type episodes give creative thoughts to people in our society already at the tipping point. More so than the video game itself.<br /><br />Look forward to seeing you Friday.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13676928110297819368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-90142935940410598032012-12-17T14:49:32.603-08:002012-12-17T14:49:32.603-08:00Lee-
I spent more than thirty years in Philadelph...Lee-<br /><br />I spent more than thirty years in Philadelphia where a permit to carry a gun was hard to come by, and another twenty in Arizona where a gun rack is standard equipment on all cars.<br /><br />I've not felt that either legal scenario really makes one safer.<br /><br />Truth be told-our society has simply become more violent over my lifetime.<br /><br />I doubt the reason for that is availability of guns.<br /><br />Is it video games? Movie content?<br /><br />Alan Keyes out forth a theory some fifteen years ago, that our decline comes from putting the self first.<br /><br />We do not have a gun problem.<br /><br />We do not have a money problem.<br /><br />We have a moral problem.<br /><br />I am far from a preaching man, but we have swung the pendulum so far to the left that we have raised a generation with no concept of the value of life.<br /><br />With apologies to non-Christians, teaching Christian morality in schools was better than teaching no morality at all.<br /><br />Be careful what you wish for, America. Stephen T. McCarthy once told me that step 1 in stripping away ALL freedom is disarming the people.<br /><br />But I am sure as long as we are fed iPads, iPods and a steady diet of "Glee" and "The Voice," Americans will continue accept a curtailment of their freedom and way of life that is FAR WORSE than those we thought worth fighting a revolution for in 1776.<br /><br />Go back to sleep America-your government is in control!<br /><br />LC<br />DiscConnectedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07013919800637508392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-23035087057263939022012-12-17T13:20:34.049-08:002012-12-17T13:20:34.049-08:00Kelly -- I would agree with you. The blame has to ...Kelly -- I would agree with you. The blame has to be directed more to individuals. The question there is what triggers an individual to do such a thing?<br /><br />Tami -- Yes, and that is related to my previous response to Kelly.<br /><br />Yeamie-- Yes, and the roots of the problem don't come down to any one solution. It's a complex issue.<br /><br />Jack -- You have no disagreement from me. I think you have pointed in the right directions where many of the sources of the problem come from.<br /><br />Andrew -- If we look at the reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment the assault weapons and more might be a logical interpretation. More security may not necessarily result in greater safety. Freedom is an essential part of what our nation is founded on.<br /><br />Lizy -- The sheer number of questions involved is why there is not one easy solution. I will probably address all of the questions I've posed here and more in future posts--issue at a time.<br /><br />Robin -- I think you have addressed the crux of the issues I've posed.<br /><br />Eve -- A gun will kill more people than a knife, but a bomb can kill far more people than 10 people with guns. Remember Oklahoma City. Pure evil can sometimes inspire totally demented genius.<br /><br />Johanna -- A secular society may not be able to find the total solution without taking away freedom.<br /><br />L. Diane -- I think you are getting closer to what I think the real solution might be.<br /><br />Ciara -- I think if we restrict or take away guns it will mostly affect the people who play by the rules. And even without guns the bad guys will still find a way to create havoc and intimidation.<br /><br />Lee<br /><br /><br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-83462508410804144302012-12-17T12:38:20.842-08:002012-12-17T12:38:20.842-08:00I guess I have one question about banning guns. Do...I guess I have one question about banning guns. Do violent crimes usually occur using a gun purchased the legitimate way, or buy stealing or illegally obtaining one?<br /><br />One other question, what is happening to our world?Ciarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15628488753277495111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-27328907749500806872012-12-17T11:26:42.825-08:002012-12-17T11:26:42.825-08:00I agree with Downsizers. I don't want a gun, b...I agree with Downsizers. I don't want a gun, but I don't want my government telling me I can't have one either. The more regulations, the more control they gain. And that is a really scary thought. Remember, this is the government that removed the Ten Commandments from schools because, God forbid, someone would actually follow them.L. Diane Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06425864276166334896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-80073022123870616132012-12-17T10:48:46.828-08:002012-12-17T10:48:46.828-08:00The slippery slope argument! :) I'm not sure I...The slippery slope argument! :) I'm not sure I believe regulations in one area necessarily lead to regulations across the board. I do think that as our society grows ever-larger and resources become more unevenly distributed these kinds of tragedy will continue apace.<br /> Johanna Garthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15515478890074610814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-53186402812548560392012-12-17T10:38:01.167-08:002012-12-17T10:38:01.167-08:00Hey Lee, I heard about the attacks on children in ...Hey Lee, I heard about the attacks on children in China, and the major difference between that and what happened in Newtown is that all the Chinese children are still alive. All the children that were attacked in Newtown are dead. I don't think anyone, anywhere needs to have an assault rifle...or even a handgun for that matter. Sure, people can be killed with a knife, but it's 'easier' for a lunatic to kill a bunch of people with a gun...with a gun they can stand at a distance and shoot...a knife involves getting up close and personal to the victims..as a foreigner, it seems to me that America has a culture of violence...I don't know the exact statistic, but the figure for the people killed each year by guns in America is astronomical when compared to other developed nations..I do think that Americans have access to guns that is beyond what anyone else, in any other nation, has. Sure this guy who slaughtered these children in Newtown was deranged, but if he didn't have such easy access to guns, I'll bet that those 20 children would still be alive...I just cannot even imagine the pain that those parents are feeling. E. M. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12395951217528199963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-6872089234424234602012-12-17T10:31:21.072-08:002012-12-17T10:31:21.072-08:00As my mom says, "You can't legislate evil...As my mom says, "You can't legislate evil." In other words, if you take a gun away from a man, he will use a knife. If you take away the knife, he will use a bat. You take away the bat, he will use a sharp stick. Take away the stick, he will use a rock. <br /><br />As for your points about banning other things to try and straighten out the world... the government will never be the medium to dictate right and wrong. If you need the government to do that for you, you really are in a world of hurt. Banning only takes away from our freedoms. The 1st Amendment is in place to keep them. Our mind is in place to dictate what is acceptable and what isn't. I think we are seeing the loss of the latter... people have stopped using their minds and have started expecting the Government to do their thinking for them. That does lead to trouble.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14932408372240147454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-52937569817429885802012-12-17T10:23:41.759-08:002012-12-17T10:23:41.759-08:00There are so many questions here that I can't ...There are so many questions here that I can't begin to answer. Each one is a matter for serious discussion and thought. Banning things only pushes them underground half the time - it's the culture of indifferent acceptance that needs a rethink.liz younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16289501717229347872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-149224757183756660.post-38721608807621779852012-12-17T10:09:37.216-08:002012-12-17T10:09:37.216-08:00Here's what I know:
A guy in China attacked a ...Here's what I know:<br />A guy in China attacked a bunch of school kids and wounded 20 (or so) of them. They all lived.<br />A guy in Conn attacked 20 kids with an assault rifle and they are all dead.<br /><br />Sure, getting rid of guns might not stop the crazy people, but, you know what? It might stop the deaths.<br /><br />Which is not to say that I'm for the banning of "guns," but I think I am for the banning of automatic and semi-automatic weapons. There's no reason for the average person to own a weapon like that. None.<br /><br />As for what to do about the line between freedom and security, I don't know. I am reluctant to exchange freedom for security, BUT freedom should not include the freedom to inflict harm upon others.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.com